This is the Quigley Scale… this makes radscums’ heads explode. As you can see, the boundary between “penis” and “vagina” is not as clean cut as radscums (and for that matter, cissexist society as a whole) makes it out to be. Radscums, when should you start using the mens’ room? Number 3? Number 4? I should point out that the Quigley scale applies only to androgen insensitivity syndrome. There are plenty of other intersex conditions out there that can produce totally different genital arrangments.
[Image description: a diagram scale showing various kinds of genitals. Number one shows what most people would refer to as a penis and scrotum. Number two shows a penis with a slit running on the underside, and a scrotum. Number 3 shows a small penis/large clitoris and a scrotum/labia majora (looks a bit closer to a scrotum). Number 4 shows a smaller penis/clitoris with a scrotum/labia majora (looks a bit closer to labia majora). Number 5 shows a vulva with a somewhat large clitoris. Numbers 6 and 7 show what most people would call a vulva with a “normal” sized clitoris.]
Who’s pwned now, Rad-Fems?
This is a scale used to assess intersex, not trans, conditions. The scale indicates genitalia outside of expected development; it is specifically used to assess the degree of disorder in genital development. This 1-7 scale was an expansion on the 1-3 scale previously used. These are not examples of “normal” variations in genital development. Please stop acting as if being intersex and being transsexual are the same thing.
Instead of simply copying Wikipedia, why don’t you try reading the actual article on the development of the scale?
I never said that intersex and trans are the same thing and I am quite aware that the scale is used to to grade androgen insensitivity syndrome.
Radical feminism has no critique whatsoever to aim at intersexuality. The problem we have is with trans ideology. By bringing this - a scale to assess intersexuality - in to the discussion, you are indeed conflating the issues. Stop doing that.
I am pointing out the absurdity that comes with biologically essentialist radscum “theory”. If a person with partial androgen insensitivity syndrome is a 3 or a 4 on the scale, and they identify as female, are they cis or trans? It all depends on the doctor’s subjective decision at birth.
Identity is not being assessed here. Sex is not identity. What this scale assesses is the degree of difference in sex. Medically speaking, a person at a 3 or 4 on the scale is not male or female. They are intersex. Did you read the article that I linked to? If you can’t access it, send me a message with a throwaway e-mail and I’ll send it to you.
Whether a person’s sex is male or female is as much of a social construct as the gender roles that accompany them.
No, it’s not. There are not endless functional variations in sexes.
And intersex conditions are totally normal!!! Just because they are less common doesn’t mean they are abnormal. The false belief that they are “disorders” contributes to untold suffering to many intersex people, whom suffer non-consensual genital mutilation at birth.
Yes, the practice of mutilating infants and children without their consent needs to stop. (Hey, did you know Sheila Jeffreys agrees with you on this point?) There is no point in mutilating a person’s genitals for cosmetic reasons - surgery should only be done if there is a functional problem, such as problems with elimination. However, medically speaking, AIS is indeed a “disorder.” It causes more problems then altered genitals. Sterility, osteoporosis and various cancers are all directly related to AIS; these are negative symptoms that need to be treated.
There is nothing disordered about being intersex. About 1.7% of births are intersex, and people with green eyes are not too far ahead at 2.7% so if being intersex is a disorder than so is having green eyes. Also there can be an overlap between being intersex and trans, because when the doctor designates a sex at birth, they are sometimes wrong!!!
Again, medically, intersexuality is indeed a disorder. These conditions are challenges to the normative functions of the body. Eye color does not (although it is worth noting that the gene expression that results in blue/green eyes is in many ways a negative adaptation, putting people more at risk for skin cancer.)
Once again, do not conflate the issues of intersexuality with the issues of being trans. If a doctor designates a person as male or female at birth when that person is actually intersexual, the issue is not that the doctor should have assigned them a different sex: the issue is that the person should have been designated INTERSEX. If you have a set of genitals, reproductive organs and hormones that fall within the normative ranges for male or female, you are that sex…no matter how much you dislike it.
I don’t get how you radfems are so against gendered socialization yet are so eager to pigeonhole people into categories based on biologically essentialist criteria. It’s so contradictory. By the way, which bathroom should someone who has a 3 or a 4 use? Should they saw themselves in half and go to both?
So are intersex people allowed in your movement and spaces?
At what part of the scale will they be allowed to go to MichFest?
Are radfems cool with intersex people only if they identify strictly with an intersex identity? If they identify or present with a gender besides intersex (especially considering society doesn’t give too many guidelines for what an intersex gender is), are they “faking it” like all other trans people?
The only thing worth saying to you is to repeat: intersexuality and transsexuality are NOT the same thing. Please remember that. Every time you conflate the two, you reveal both that you have no understanding of biology, and also ignore the very serious problems that face people who have intersexual conditions.
Trans women are desperate.
“Radical feminism has no critique of intersexuality. We have nothing against these people, their abnormal genitalia, or the disorder they suffer from.”
I am just going to leave you with this brilliant explanation of why the rad fem ideology stands against rationality:
Yep. And the root of that fallacy is the very fallacy that feminism has been trying to destroy since the very beginning, namely, that biology does not equal destiny.
There is an extreme cognitive dissonance that one is required to ignore if one is to accept radical feminist theory concerning trans women. They construct sex and gender to be both real and unreal at the same time, and this dichotomy is the source of their confusion.
Radical feminism is neither radical, nor is it feminism. It is patriarchy, pure and simple, internalised and used as a weapon by women against women.
Biology does not equal destiny!!!!!!!!!!
So on this post we have seen academicsilence argue at the same time that “Identity is not being assessed here. Sex is not identity.” AND that “If you have a set of genitals, reproductive organs and hormones that fall within the normative ranges for male or female, you are that sex”.
How can one sex not be an identity but one IS their set of genitals??
Because SEX is different from GENDER. Sex is your biology; you have that; it is set from the sixth week of conception. The only changes that can be made are purely surface. Gender is your set of behaviors and identity, as shaped by your society. How you behave is not set in your biology.
It is this disctinction that radical feminists have fought to establish. And you are demonstrating exactly how deep your ignorance is every time you mix up the two features. Every time a trans activist tries to argue for “neurosex” or that they were always trans, they are making an argument that the behaviors identified as gender are innate - and therefore, justifying the oppressive system of gender.
How about you actually read what’s been said before you get self-congratulatory? You are WRONG.
You see my point?? Their ideology is logically flawed at its essence, contradictory and fallacious. They are so fucking stupid - just look at academicsilence claiming that intersexuality is a ‘disorder’ and then adding that blue/green eyes are not despite being linked to higher risks of skin cancer - and stuck in some massive cognitive dissonance shit!
If you actually had read what wrote (and, by the way, the link I provided) you would have realized I was pointing out that indeed, there are medical risks with blue/green eyes. However, this trait does not interfere with the normative function of the body: the body is capable of breathing, eating, drinking, and reproducing. Medically, blue/green eyes is not considered a disorder, while intersexuality is.
They are so fucking pathetic SMH I would laugh if their agenda of hatred wasn’t behind the mass murder and oppression of trans people especially trans WOC like Cece.
This is ridiculous. Stop it with the over-the-top hyperbole. It’s not radical feminists who pose a threat to trans people; it’s males and men. You just like to attack radical feminists because we’re an easy target. You are cowards.
To be a rad fem is to give up on reason.
Radical feminists actually read, rather than pass around false information inside an echo chamber.
To be a rad fem is to be against women.
Radical feminists fight for the liberation of women. You and your friends want to force female women to give up their bodily autonomy, their right to say no, and their freedom of association. You are against women. You want to see the oppression of women continue, so that you can “play” with gender.
So to all of you rad scum pieces of shit, stop calling yourself feminist, you are not!!! You do not stand by nor with me as a cis woman!! You are pulling me, us as women back!!
Take a look in a mirror.
This is absolutely unbelievable. The more you speak / type, the more you actually prove my point, which is: Radical feminist stands AGAINST rationality!! Your reply was a remarkable collection of absurdities, yet you don’t see it which speaks volume about the intense cognitive dissonance your peers and you are in.
- First of all regarding GENDER and SEX: Did you really claim that rad fems have fought to establish the distinction??? Are you fucking serious?? If anything, rad fem ideology is based on conflating both while pretending to make a distinction, which is contradictory and fallacious. But you didn’t actually counter-argued my point at all, what you did instead was a pathetic attempt at derailing by bringing up neuroscience. I never mentioned that and not all queer people believe in it, especially gender-fluid people. You have still to address the theoretical flaw of your movement. I will just ask you one simple question: Since you admit that SEX and GENDER are different, that “Sex is your biology” and that “Gender is your set of behaviors and identity”why do rad fems keep on aligning womanhood with female genitalia?? WHY???? Answer this simple question!! Why is your whole fucking rhetoric is based around the vagina, clitoris and uterus??? Why do you think that trans women are just as oppressive as cis men despite the fact that gender is a social construct of patriarchy?? WHY?? How can all of these contradictory things make sense to you??
- On “Radical feminists fight for the liberation of women” : “You and your friends want to force female women to give up their bodily autonomy, their right to say no, and their freedom of association. You are against women” BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH OMG what the actual fuck was this?? You pretend to fight for women then talk about “female women”?? To think that you had the audacity to claim that rad fems fight for the separation of GENDER and SEX and then come up with this BS is so sad. You are not making sense at all but you can’t see it because you have thrown rationality away. Also, what this short bit shows is that your friends and you are convinced to have a monopolistic ownership of womanhood. You are not more of a woman than me or any other trans woman. If anything you are the ones against “bodily autonomy”!! You are the one against self-determination and hence body autonomy!! You are the one claiming to have a supreme authority into deciding who is a woman and who is not!! You are no way better than patriarchy in this regard!! YOU ARE AGAINSTWOMEN! You are oppressive, abusive and erasive!
- As for Green/blue eyes and intersexuality: Once again you do not make any fucking sense!! “Medically, blue/green eyes is not considered a disorder, while intersexuality is. “ As a wannabe feminist, you should at least know better than mindlessly using the medical sector as a figure of authority. You should know that as an institution, it , too, is invested in upholding and promoting patriarchy against trans and cis women. You should fucking know that! So your “medically” here is totally irrelevant!! What is relevant though is the fact that you think that intersexuality is a disorder because, unlike having blue/green eyes, it “interfere with the normative function of the body: the body is capable of breathing, eating, drinking, and reproducing” O_o I couldn’t believe this when I first read this. Making such claim is a proof that you have no fucking clue what intersexuality is , yet you are still desperately claiming that it is a disorder!!
- The bit that got me the most and made me nauseous is you referring to the oppression of trans people, the fact that their life expectancy is 23yo as an “over-the-top hyperbole” . Yeah right, the fact that trans people are being killed in mass, had their lives destroyed, are dehumanized, constantly under the assault of the hetero-normative society is simply a “over-the-top hyperbole”What kind of monstrous sociopath are you?? This is why I refuse to let monstrous individuals like you obviously incapable to relate to anyone unlike them, to talk on my behalf!! You do not represent me!! You do not represent any decent person who has a minimum of respect for human life!! HOW DARE YOU?? WHAT KIND OF PERSON ARE YOU?? And yep I just called the fucking sociopath that you are a fucking bitch!! You are inhumane!! You can now go a cry a bucket of cis scum tears while trans people are fucking dying because of your hatred and you think it is an “over-the-top hyperbole” !
- “It’s not radical feminists who pose a threat to trans people; it’s males and men. You just like to attack radical feminists because we’re an easy target. You are cowards.”At this point to be honest, I am overwhelmed wit exasperation!! Seriously, you are either dumber than a bag of rocks or you are under a spell! How can trans women, which you refer to as “males” take part in their own oppression and murder?? HOW?? Where you drunk when you typed this sentence?? Have you heard of logic?? Also are you really referring at rad fems as ‘easy target’ when they are mostly white/middle-class/cis in a white supremacist and hetero-normative and cissexist society??? Are you serious?? Well I just give up on you, I have met chickens with more common sense than you and your bunch of hateful sociopaths!
Once again you proved my points:
To be a rad fem is to give up on reason.
To be a rad fem is to be against women.
The thing about arguing with Radfems is that ..
… you have to realize that most of them don’t actually consider trans women oppressed. They think we are men, and benefit from male privilege.
They think that we are the oppressor of cis women.
Arguing that marginalized and/or oppressed groups should have their own safe spaces will only cause them to go “But what about FEMALES, we are oppressed, why do we have to let these MEN in?” or something along those lines.
It’s a core disconnect with reality that drives their worldview. Everything wrong with how they treat us stems from this fallacy.
IMPORTANT PLEASE READ!!
If studying-lgbtq-people inboxes you asking to take part in questions about LGBTQ people “to help her understand” DO NOT DO IT. It is Sophie M Herold, the girl from Germany who attacks LGBTQ people and outs them to others. She is transphobic, homophobic and one of the sickest people I know. And now she’s back with a cunning new plan to get you NAME, ADDRESS, BIRTH DATE, AND PHOTO.
This girl is dangerous, and for some reason is allowed to keep making new tumblr accounts. We’ve raised awareness before and it helped, so lets do it again before she puts another persons life in danger. She collects your information and gives it out to others, she has sent letters to peoples parents outing them, other people have gotten hurt because of her. Yes, hurt.
Even if we can’t stop her again, get this message out and stop others giving her information etc.
And Sophie, you should know by now not to fuck with me again, wrong move, buddy.
Oh no, not her again!!
I’ve noticed that less and less of my “feminists” followers stopped following me when I came out.
It’s interesting how y’all just seem to run away from trans women.
Chrishaun ‘CeCe’ McDonald
Chrishaun ‘CeCe’ McDonald, a 23-year old African-American transgender woman, with no criminal record, is presently incarcerated and charged with two counts of second-degree murder. In her article, “Jenna Talackova Can Compete, But the Fight Against Trans Injustice Rages On“ for the Huffington Post, actress and transgender advocate Laverne Cox, gives a recent recap of Ms. McDonald’s case:
“In June 5, 2011 CeCe and a group of her friends, all of whom were LGBT youth of color, were walking in South Minneapolis when a group of white adults began screaming racist and transphobic slurs like ‘niggers,’ ‘faggots’ and ‘chicks with dicks’ at the youth. According to reports CeCe stood up for herself and her friends, stating that they would not tolerate hate speech. Then one of the white adult women smashed her glass into CeCe’s face. The broken glass sliced all the way through CeCe’s cheek, lacerating a salivary gland. A fight ensued, resulting in the death of one of the attackers, Dean Schmitz. CeCe was the only person arrested. She was detained by the police for hours before questioning, and then she was placed in solitary confinement.”
Not surprisingly, the white woman who attacked Ms. McDonald wasn’t prosecuted. Ms. McDonald’s case is a clear example of racist and transphobic violence. Presently incarcerated awaiting her trail, this young trans woman could be permanently railroaded into the prison industrial complex. Up until very recently, Ms. McDonald was only receiving support from on-the-ground radical grassroots (not mainstream) feminists and queer people, many of whom are of color.
Some queer people are Black and some Black people are queer and more often than not, like most straight Black women and girls, we stand alone at the intersections of race, gender, gender identity, and sexuality. In the 2011 released Queer (In)Justice: The Criminalization of LGBT People In the United States, authors Joey L. Mogul, Andrea J. Ritchie, and Kay Whitlock give readers alarming commentary about the disproportionate rate that LGBTQ people, especially those of color, are incarcerated for “sexual deviance.” Similar to Michelle Alexander’s book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, Mogul, Ritchie, and Whitlock delve into how crime is socially constructed. They show the historical origins of how race constitutes what is considered a crime, while also examining how notions about how gender plus race plus class plus sexuality all inform who is incarcerated and who is not. This is most important to consider when we look at the (relatively speaking) minimal responses to the New Jersey 4 case, and all those cases involving Black LGBTQ people prior and following up to CeCe McDonald’s case.
In January 2012, Racialicious published Jessica Annabella’s “Why We Should Support CeCe McDonald.” Ms. Annabella’s article really underscores many of the poignant points raised in Queer (In)Justice. She writes,
“…CeCe’s story is a portrait of the United States Criminal Justice System. Her story is what is meant when we are told that transgender people, especially transgender women of color, experience disproportionate rates of police harassment, profiling, and abuse. She is living one of the stories rolled into statistics like: trans people are ten to fifteen times more likely to be incarcerated than cisgender (not transgender) people, or nearly half of African American transgender people have spent time in jail or prison. These statistics are the result of all of the ways that transgender people, especially transgender people of color, are denied access to the resources and opportunities that we need to live healthy lives free of violence, discrimination, and oppression. Transgender people consistently experience high levels of harassment in school, extreme levels of unemployment due to discrimination and lack of education, denial of competent medical care, inability to change identification documents, and disproportionate violence and harassment…”
On the April 15, 2012 edition of the Melissa Harris-Perry show on MSNBC, she featured a 20-minute ‘Being transgender in America’ segment. In speaking about another case in which a transgender person was savagely beaten, Harris- Perry said,
“Simply because you are aware of one kind of inequality doesn’t mean that you empathize with others. It was in that moment that I decided I needed to be a better Cis ally to the work of trans communities.”
During the segment, Harris-Perry and white transgender activist Kate Bornstein briefly discussed Ms. McDonald’s case. Tragically, Harris-Perry was the only one who drew parallel’s between Ms. McDonald and Trayvon Martin. While an important intervention for mainstream cable television, the travesty about the ‘Being transgender in America’ segment is that all of Harris-Perry’s featured guests were white transgender people and their allies. Neither Kate Bornstein nor any of the featured guests offered any substantive critique or analysis on how the intersections of race and gender identity profoundly impact the lives of transgender people of color. Essentially, their all-white presence presented an incorrect perception that most transgender people are white; and they all experience structural violence in the same way. This is not true at all. There are many trans activists of color who could’ve contextualized the specifics of Ms. McDonald’s case from an intersectional framework. Additionally, they could’ve discussed the various ways in which transgender people of color experience all forms of violence both outside and inside of their racial and cultural communities.
Most recently, on April 20, 2012, the Advocate.com published Diane Anderson-Minshall’sessay, “Fighting For Her Life: Transgender Woman Charged With Murder.” Anderson-Minshall, shares some of the astounding statistics from the recently released nationwide survey of transgender and gender non-conforming people, which was conducted by The National Center for Transgender Equality and The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. Anderson-Minshall writes:
“…What they found is shocking but bears weight on the case against CeCe McDonald: 38% of African-American respondents experienced police harassment, 15% reported being physically assaulted by the police, and 7% reported being sexually assaulted by the police; 38% of African American MTF (male-to-female) respondents reported being sexually assaulted by either another inmate or a staff member in jail/prison; 41% of African-American respondents reported being imprisoned because of their race and gender identity alone; a whopping 47% reported having been in jail or prison for any reason…”
Unfortunately and yet not surprisingly, there hasn’t been any expressed outrage on the part of Non-LGBTQ Black Civil Rights organizations and public intellectuals about Ms. McDonald’s case. Her case is most definitely another example of racism and transphobia in the criminal (in)justice system. Additionally the expressed outrage on the part of mainstream white LGBTQ organizations has been minimal, if at all. In spite of this, there has been a multi-racial racial groundswell of local, state, and national grassroots organizing in support of Ms. McDonald’s case. In addition to the media coverage I cited, there are many bloggers who are focused on covering her case. The Support CeCe McDonald webpage posted a press release announcing that on April 17, 2012:
“…supporters of Chrishaun “CeCe” McDonald delivered a petition with over 12,000 signatures and a letter signed by 35 local, state, and national organizations directly to Hennepin County Attorney Michael Freeman’s office this afternoon, demanding that he drop the two second-degree murder charges levied against McDonald…”
Coincidentally (or not), Attorney Freeman’s office recently declined to prosecute the white killer of Darrell Evanovich, an African-American man shot dead after an alleged robbery. Supporters of CeCe McDonald are asking people to contact Attorney Freeman’s office directly to encourage him to drop the charge against Ms. Mcdonald, especially since he set a precedent of refusing to prosecute the killer of Darrell Evanovich. The change.org-sponsored petition demanding Hennepin County Attorney Michael Freeman to drop the charges against Ms. McDonald is still receiving signatures.
The Support CeCe McDonald webpage has some of the most comprehensive up-to-date information about her case, including tangible ways individuals and organizations can support her. Ms. McDonald has a pretrial rescheduled for April 27, 2012 at 9:00 a.m. Her actual trial is scheduled for April 30, 2012. It is vital that we stay focused on CeCe McDonald receiving justice.
There are clearly stark differences between CeCe McDonald and Trayvon Martin. Trayvon Martin, a straight Black teenage boy was murdered; and CeCe McDonald, a young adult Black trans woman, was brutally attacked, and, in response to defending herself, is fighting for a life outside of the prison industrial complex. The common denominator between both Martin and McDonald, however, is the vicious impact of white supremacist and state sanctioned violence on the lives of Black bodies. I believe it is critical that our national Non-LGBTQ Black Civil Rights organizations and public intellectuals speak and act with the profound understanding that justice should not be fought solely on behalf of Black straight boys and men; but it should be fought for all members in our non-monolithic communities.
[Clink on the link for the full article and links to other pieces in the four part series]
More Thoughts On Trans Dating
The idea that trans women are being “deceptive” if we fail to disclose our transness to potential partners is probably the single most dangerous single piece of bigotry against us. Because the unspoken corollary is that anyone we interact with is morally entitled to use violence against us if we don’t disclose fast enough to suit their prejudice.
When it comes to dating, trans people are the one exception to the rule that people are responsible for their own preferences. Society does not require people with medical conditions to hand over their medical records on the first date. It does not accuse women of fraud for putting on makeup or wearing padded bras or having cosmetic surgery. It does not demand that prejudices in general be preemptively catered to.
Unless you’re a trans woman.
She is bold, she is bright, she is beautiful and she is taking Angola by storm. Not bad for a transsexual in a Catholic African country where homosexuality is illegal and punishable by hard labour.
You can get her music on iTunes!!
The way this article was written is APPALLING! It overflows with paternalism. It can be summed up by this sentence ‘these backwards homophobic Africans can be open-minded at times’ Seriously WTF?? Can someone give me the name of ONE popular UK trans singer or actor??
Also why are they talking about HOMOSEXUALITY on an article about the success of a TRANS woman??? O_O And did I mention the constant misgendering??
The above article is an update. Her mother went to appeal to keep her out of the psychiatric ward and lost. She will be institutionalized because of her expression of her gender. She will be held until she conforms to male gender and then released to foster care, not her mother who was supporting her.
Please, if you haven’t signed the petition, sign it, reblog it, ask your friends to sign it. Lets get on the ball and spread the word.
We live in a world where 11 year old girls are being institutionalized for being trans
… with all the additional risk of abuse and sexual assault that comes with that, but I’m supposed to care about a pageant.
I guess an argument could be made that if our culture saw trans women as legitimate enough to be in pageants, then we’d also see this little girl’s gender as legitimate enough not to lock her away? I’m not making that argument, mind you.
Yeah I know, but I’d rather fight for recognition of our lives and the legitimacy of our identities while actually fixing stuff. I really do understand the meta-narrative issues that are involved in this story. It’s stuff I’ve talked about for awhile… but I feel like it’s coming at the expense of people’s lives.
WARNING. The things in this post can and will probably upset you. This is a long post, but I believe that everyone needs to at least read this.
“I’m not hiding. The only reason that I don’t have a tumblr is that it has been deleted when I started telling the truth about gay people: that you are disgusting and abnormal.
My name is Sophie Miriam Herold, I’m a 21-year-old female undergraduate student from Germany. You also know me as smartypants. You can contact me by sending a message to:
I am not hiding. I’m not afraid of you gay people. I will fight you as long as I can.
I know that by putting me out there I will be harassed and threatened. That is the price I have to pay for telling the truth about gay people. But I am not afraid of being physically harmed or killed. You may break my bones, but you can’t change the facts: that homosexuality is abnormal and disgusting.You are what you are and have to deal with it, like everybody else. Stop trying to pretend to be “better” than others because you consider yourself “transsexual”. You have to play your gender role, you have to do what society expects from you. If you don’t, you have to suffer from the consequences.
Just look what you have between your legs. If you have male private parts, you are a man, if you have female private parts, you are a woman. Understood?
I am sorry to inform you that your gay and transsexual experiment won’t have a future. Please try to understand this. It was fun for a while, like watching weird looking animals in a zoo, but only as long as you were hiding and not showing your affection to the same sex in public. Years ago, transsexuality was merely the base for novels or movies. But now that you are demanding equal rights, we straight people have to face a real problem. You are naughty and greedy. You have overdone things. And because you demand too much, you won’t get anything.
I want to say that I will use every legal measure to keep off transsexual people from having equal rights.
There isn’t an endless amount of human rights available, we have to deploy our resources carefully and wisely.
Eventually you will understand this one day.
It is unbelievable how you, the LGBTQ people think that your sexual orientation could ever be socially accepted. It is such a miscalculation to assume that you would ever be equal. You can never expect that. Never ever. I will take every legal measure to fight you, I will try to avoid contact with you in real life. I don’t want to be touched by you (e.g. by shaking hands), I don’t want to sit next to you in a bus, I don’t want you in or near my family. I might have already met transsexual people, that’s why we need some sort of worlwide database where all the LGBTQ people are listed. So that we normal (=straight) people can avoid you.
There are things in the world that are just not okay. Being transsexual is one of them. I would love to be able to avoid you, but even in my peaceful, normal city there was a “Pride” this summer, a LGBTQ march for equal rights. How dare you to claim that transsexuality is normal.
Most straight people don’t show openly their aversion for you, but that doesn’t mean that they approve your lifestyle. Straight people might not beat you up, they might even talk and smile to you, but only on the outside. On the inside they wait until the laws that protect you will become invalid and then…dare you.
If you can’t conform to our (straight) society, you won’t be a part of our society.
We will get rid of the transsexual perverts. One way or another.
Discipline, self control, rational thoughts should always dominate your mind.
I’m not very religious, and I don’t know what God wants. We just have to deal with the facts: why are far more than 90% of all people straight? Because we are RIGHT and you LGBTQ people are WRONG.
Your wrong sexual orientation disgusts me to no end.
Soon you will be very sorry for who you are. You will apologise to all of us normal people.
As soon as scientists will find the “transsexual gene”, there won’t be any transsexual babies anymore in this world. Then we can get rid of the LGBTQ peverts from the very beginning.
LGBTQ people won’t have a future, that’s why they should become normal immediately.
And because only 10% of all people are LGBTQ, we can abandon them. The world population is already large enough, why should we keep the gays alive?
It isn’t anything personal, it’s just a job.
”##”, you are what you are. Stop trying to be better than others by altering things that you don’t like about yourself. If you can’t get along with the fact that you are a woman, it’s your own problem. Stop bothering other people with it. In fact you don’t have any problems. All that you’re doing is just a weird idea that comes from the fact that today, everybody is trying to stand out and to be selfish.
”##”, you are a woman. You have to be with a man. If you don’t attarct any men, you should consider growing your hair longer, wearing makeup and dressing more girly.
I hope you will never have kids. Because you would mess them up.
Delete your tumblr and youtube.
-Sophie M. Herold”
The italicized words above were written by Sophie Miriam Herold. I am deeply offended and very scared. I had come to believe that maybe the world was becoming a little more tolerable for people such as myself. Apparently not. I am afraid now more than ever of what people will do to me now that I am out. This woman is obviously uneducated about people in the LBGTQ community. I believe that everyone has a right to their opinions, and has the right to voice them as they chose but this is not right. Saying that we should kill all gay people because the world is overpopulated as it is? I don’t understand where her logic is coming from. I am naughty and greedy because I want to be able to have the same rights as everyone else? I want to be able to marry my partner and raise a family with her, and that’s bad? She wants a list of all LGBTQ in the world so people that don’t want to associate with us can avoid us? We’re not criminals. I don’t have a disease. You CAN’T catch it. I promise. I have been this way all my life. Transsexual gene? Really? How can you define what is right and wrong? How do you know what is ‘normal’?
This woman has been illegally collecting people from the LGBTQ community’s addresses, contact information and forcing them out to the rest of the world. I am so disgusted by this. People like her make me fear for my safety. There HAVE been people beaten, harassed, bullied to the point of suicide, and murdered for being who they are. I am quite terrified that there are people like her in the world. I am HUMAN for Christ’s sake. I’m not a monster. I’m not a pervert. I am me. If I am hated for being myself, so be it. But I will NOT stand for what this woman is doing to people. If she wants to start a war, it won’t be one-sided. The LGBTQ community is bigger than she thinks and I will stand up for myself and others like me.
Two simple statements:
- You are not alone.
- We will stand together.
I’m pretty sure we outnumber her. If she wants a war, we’ll give her one.
Doesn’t Germany have rather stricter laws about this sort of thing than the United States? Anybody from there know? Assuming she’s using her real name, it might be possible to have some sort of action be brought against her, though I don’t know if that would require a target inside Germany to bring it.
I believe they do. The volkverhetzung (“incitement of the popular hatred”, because there is no concept so specific that German will not make a single word for it) laws make it a crime to “call for violent or arbitrary measures” against a section of the population” or “assault the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning, or defaming segments of the population. It’s also a crime to disseminate writings which do either of those things.
Legal action seems like the best course of action to me, personally. I think that personal retribution, while certainly satisfying, might just give her a martyr complex - which would make her not just evil, but completely frickin’ insufferable to boot.
Does this dumb piece of shit think she is a martyr or something??
[Trigger warning: Another white feminist spewing racist and transphobic shit.] Reason 84872549784 I would rather be dead than be associated with those morons
Feminism is about WOMEN’S RIGHTS. Why must we take the burden of ALL social justice, thus not fulfilling our main goal? My feminism will be about women’s rights, or it will be bullshit. There’s an anti-racism movement, there’s a LGBT movement, there’s a vegetarian/vegan/animal rights/environmental rights movement, and these movements do not include anything about women’s rights, so why must feminism accomodate all of them to not be deemed “useless”?
WHY ARE WE DEVIATING FROM OUR MAIN OBJECTIVES? I understand women may be oppressed by their race and sexual orientation and many other things, BUT, feminism is designed to grant them political and social equality based on their sex, and does not need to be perfect in every other way. I’m so sick of the political correctness, the constant “omgz you’re so transphobic”, the “my feminism will be intersectional” and the “omg, if we don’t involved this marginalised group, and that one, and that one and that one and all of them, feminism can’t exist!!!!!!!!”
Let me reiterate. FEMINISM IS ABOUT WOMEN. It must stay this way to be effective and must not get caught up with trans politics and other issues, because they have their own platforms in which you can be active. We must bring back radical feminism. We’re all too fucking afraid to offend someone by being politically incorrect to make a global change. The only case in which this is acceptable is when one’s dealing with abuse and rape victims, in which it is absolutely disgusting to trigger someone.
Hey look everyone.
It’s like the quintessential STFU Fauxminists post.
Oh hey, who knew that women faced different oppressions based on their race, class, sexuality, etc? Apparently not OP. My feminism will be intersectional or it will not exist because not all women are the same. All women experience sexism but they experience it in different ways based on their other identities. STFU, OP.
Yeah, OP .. your useless type of feminism can pretty much burn in fucking flames, you assfuck. Women’s issues vary from person to person, so who are to place this monolithic women’s struggle on us, as if we can all relate to it? This is why you bitches can fight your imaginary battles alone.
i just read the first few sentences and gleaned that this person doesn’t think my Black ass is a woman. Nor is my queer ass. nice.
My feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit. Because if you don’t want feminism to be for women of colour, poor women, queer women, disabled women, or trans women, then you don’t want feminism to be for me or the sisters I love near and far, so why should I help you? If you’re going to be selfish about who feminism benefits, clearly you are leading by the example you wish to set for others, and so I will do as you do.